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Author:  Bob Lock [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:53 pm ]
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Over on Jeff VanderMeer's site:

http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2009/11/04/the-next-big-punking/#comments

I quite fancy 'squidpunk' myself :)

Author:  Tony [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:34 pm ]
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How about some 'Atwoodpunk' or 'Wintersonpunk'..?
Oh, sorry, 'Denialpunk' is not really SF though... is it?

:roll: :wink:

Author:  Rolnikov [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:39 pm ]
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Maybe looking beyond punk to other types of popular music might be rewarding... Emo is popular at the moment, and prog is probably due a comeback. Grime could work as a description of kitchen sink horror...

Slowcore would work as a literary genre too.

Author:  Jim Steel [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:20 pm ]
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I'm surprised no-one's mentioned New Romance yet.

There's always Post Punk, but we'll have to wait until the mail strike is over before we try that one...

Author:  Roy [ Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:58 am ]
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I did come upwith the term Smog Punk to describe Phil Emery's 2006 dark fantasy; Necromantra. It is set in a fantasy potteries, the 'Hundred Towns' and quoting Storm Constantine, "heaving with smog and phantoms and arcane terms for machinery and mining - and a host of debilitating conditions and diseases!"

It goes officially out of print in 1 month should you want to buy a copy.
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Author:  Chelsea_Tractor [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:09 pm ]
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Rolnikov wrote:
Maybe looking beyond punk to other types of popular music might be rewarding...


Daft Punk?

Author:  MatC [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:39 am ]
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I've spent many years writing Engels-punk* without anyone noticing. Including - to be 100% fair - myself, until about three minutes ago.


*(This coinage really does need the hyphen, I'm afraid).

Author:  StevePalmer [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:56 pm ]
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Has anyone taken me up on greenpunk since 1996? (I ask out of curiousity...)

Author:  friendlygun [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:36 pm ]
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I just wish that the whole -punk suffix would be dropped. It's a term that seems to have moved beyond relevance in this context. What is punk about another derivative steam---- adventure?

Author:  Pete [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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I'm about to pioneer punk reviewing - it will involve the use of many expletives :lol:

Author:  Bob Lock [ Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:13 am ]
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Check out Rhys Hughes on FB, he has invented Pachyderm-Punk (Elephant people from another dimension) Bet they are mammoth-sized stories that make for heavy reading... :shock:

Author:  Ray [ Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:58 am ]
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Tusk tusk..

So, coming soon from Stephen Jones, The Mammoth book of Mammoth Stories...

Author:  David Rees-Thomas [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:33 pm ]
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I find it weird to think that Cyberpunk kicked off about 30 years ago, and 30 years before that WW2 had only recently ended.

It's one of those context shifts that only the fluidity of historical perspective seems to bring alive.

Either that or having a cold and drinking wine at the same time has the same effect :D

How about ISF (Inteligent Science Fiction) as the next genre busting madness. You could get Autechre and Aphex Twin (IDM darlings) to write the soundtrack. It would involve incredibly complex landscapes and "ideas." Fonts, layout, and the deconstruction of the paragraph, no the sentence, hell the word or even the letter would be way more important than the story.

I like this genre already :D

David

Author:  Ilan [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:04 pm ]
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I'd like to see some version of Dada-SF. I'm sure Marcel Duchamp or Tristan Tzara would've written some great SF. Not sure about calling it Dadapunk thought...

Author:  Chelsea_Tractor [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:09 pm ]
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David Rees-Thomas wrote:
I find it weird to think that Cyberpunk kicked off about 30 years ago, and 30 years before that WW2 had only recently ended.

It's one of those context shifts that only the fluidity of historical perspective seems to bring alive.

Either that or having a cold and drinking wine at the same time has the same effect :D


There's only a neatness to this if you think the current neoliberal order is going to fall apart anytime soon. In Britain, this is a matter of the coalition government proving to be sufficiently awful (so far, so bad) and Murdoch making such a mess over the hacking scandal, the paywall, Myspace and his business generally (maybe). In America, this involves a large proportion of the electorate spontaneously demanding a proper left-wing government (apparently less likely).

David Rees-Thomas wrote:
How about ISF (Inteligent Science Fiction) as the next genre busting madness. You could get Autechre and Aphex Twin (IDM darlings) to write the soundtrack. It would involve incredibly complex landscapes and "ideas." Fonts, layout, and the deconstruction of the paragraph, no the sentence, hell the word or even the letter would be way more important than the story.

I like this genre already :D

David


This sounds like House of Leaves with added spaceships and time machines. Write it if you like, but I insist that the published result comes with a cover sticker reading "aim away from face".

I would mention dubstep, but there's already been Kode9 and the Spaceape's Memories of the Future, inspired by J.G. Ballard's "The Drowned World". There's also the difficult question of how any writer would reconcile the spirit evoked by, say, Burial, 2562 and Mount Kimbie.

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