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 Post subject: The Opposite of Cloning
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:25 pm 
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Does anyone know whether there is a specific scientific term (as opposed to 'normal' or 'human' <g>) for a person reproduced through sexual intercourse rather than through cloning?

I'm assuming that at some point in the future, if we have clones, we will need a term to differentiate them from non-clones.

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How about zygotic?

Or gametic?

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As there is no other way of being born yet, I imagine there is no technical term. What about preclone? Uniquone?

I found a definition of clone here: "clone (Greek, klon = twig) A population of genetically identical individuals or cells descended from a single ancestor."

The greek for tree-trunk is 'tammun' (so I'm told), so something derived from that maybe to represent the origin of the 'twig'. Tamone? Then there would be the mundane version: mundone.

My own favourite, though, would be bonkling :)

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Colin Harvey wrote:
I'm assuming that at some point in the future, if we have clones, we will need a term to differentiate them from non-clones.


I'm not so sure there will be, at least at first. My reasoning: clones are likely to be considered second class and inferior. Think of how many synonyms there were (and still are) for "black", but how (until comparatively recently) it would have been unnecessary to differentiate a white person other than using such words as "decent", "regular" and "normal". The underdog gets the differentiator.

And thank you for proving me with the nugget of a story idea - I hope it turns out to be different* to your own, because I'd hate to think I'd stolen it! :)


* Don't worry too much - based on past form, it's unlikely to get finished, let alone sent out to editors!

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Steven,

Excellent suggestions, thanks.

Icarus,

I LOVE 'Bonkling.' Shame I can't use it -- at least this time, but I'll keep it in mind.

Paul,

I see your points, but scientists (for example) or lawyers may need to differentiate using non-pejorative terms.

And I don't think you need have any worries about story ideas. Mine is part of the backcloth rather than the plot.

Thanks for your help, all!

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At high school (for English course work), I wrote a story (inspired by reading Brave New World) about a future where every human is a clone except for one 'freak' birth, The Natural. Story was probably rubbish, as usual, but I always liked that title... especially when Robert Redford later used it for a baseball movie!
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Couldn't you just use 'sexual reproduction' for the traditional method, and 'asexual reproduction' for the more avant-garde way?

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Sorry, my bad. I was thinking about the process, rather than the results. Although I do quite like Tony's idea of 'naturals'. Against, maybe, Fabs (fabrications) or some such.

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My suggestion: Omlette.

Scrambled sperm and eggs.

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This was an interesting question Colin and I don't know the answer. I did use 'naturals' (as opposed to 'augmented') in a story I have on file.

The wiki heading is Assisted Reproductive Technology. So the alternative is Unassisted Reproductive Technology, and maybe there is a possibility there.

Aside from technological cloning there are many ‘in vitro fertilisation (IVF) techniques in which fertilisation of the male and female gametes (sperm and egg) occurs outside the female body.

In vivo would occur inside the body

So knowledge of Latin would help in coining a new word, however without Latin…

The following techniques result in fertilisation inside the female body.

1 Standard artificial insemination (AI); sperm is placed into a female's uterus (intrauterine) or cervix (intracervical) using artificial means rather than by natural copulation

2 In gamete intrafallopian transfer a mixture of sperm and eggs is placed directly into the fallopian tubes using laparoscopy following a transvaginal ovum retrieval.

Assuming clones other than ‘natural identical twins/triplets/multiples’ are a result of fertilisation external to the female:
1 vivos as opposed to
2 vitros might not do.

One word sticks out (sorry) there ‘copulation’ so perhaps fercops, (fertilisation by copulation) vivos, vitros and clones covers all possibilities, so far.


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It all sounds damned saucy to me, Roy... :lol:

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I think the problem with terms like 'naturals' is that they don't specifically suggest the opposite of cloning; one could be 'natural' rather than 'genetically modified' or 'genetically engineered' (as opposed to cloned). Indeed, something like this was used in Frank Herbert's "The Eyes of Heisenberg" back in the 60s (though I forget what term he used).

I think a better term would be whatever the greek equivalent of 'two-parented' would be, as that specifically excludes clones.

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I'm not so sure because a clone is more like an identical twin and so could be said to have two parents though it would not be the issue of in vivo fertilisation.


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Fair point Roy - blimey, this is harder than I thought! What about 'Copulagenic' then?

Even then, it seems sometimes copulation occurs without the male genetic material being used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis#Gynogenesis

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Maybe a Freudian slip in there
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it seems sometimes copulation occurs without the male genetic material being used


A 5 syllable word won't survive intacto.


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